Bob Orr

Robert G. Orr OAM; BScFor; DipFor (Oxon.); DipEd Monash; Russell Grimwade prize-winner.

Bob graduated from the Victorian School of Forestry in 1952. Following appointments in the Assessment Branch and to the Toolangi, Mansfield and Briagolong Forest Districts, he was transferred to the Working Plans Branch in 1961. From 1969 he worked at the VSF, initially as a senior lecturer and then, between 1981 and 1989, as Principal. This is his story of that time.

Alan Eddy became Principal of the Victorian School of Forestry in 1969, replacing William Litster who had been at the school as a lecturer and Principal from 1928. At the time, I was in my Working Plans Officer position at Head Office. On the day that Alan was appointed Principal I was informed that I would be heading to the School as Senior Lecturer. This appeared to be partly due to my, for two or three years up until then, having had an approved part-time lecturing job at the University of Melbourne (UM) teaching Elementary Ecology to surveying students. (Leon Pederick and then Stuart Murray had preceded me in doing this).

I was promoted to VSF Senior Lecturer and took up the position early in February 1969. On the afternoon of the day on which we were moving in, Alan came down to let me know that we would begin classes the following morning and that he had me down in the timetable for the day to teach three periods in different subjects - and he wasn’t joking.

Alan left the job of Principal in 1977 and Jim Edgar took over the role. When Jim was whisked away to other duties I was Acting Principal for some time, and was then appointed Principal in 1981.

It was still a time of transition. All of the resident staff were FCV personnel but the students belonged to the University of Melbourne. UM staff did some of the teaching on flying visits to Creswick, but most of it was done by the Commission staff. Ian Ferguson was responsible for the University side of things but I was kept in the loop as a Senior Associate of the University. We also had a floating population of Certificate of Applied Science students from National Parks, Soil Conservation, Lands Department, Fisheries and Wildlife and the Commission coming in for three or six week bursts of training.

Kevin Wareing had a leading role under Alan Eddy in 1973-77 in establishing the ‘temporary’ cabin accommodation, the associated recreation room and the ‘certificate’ class room, as well as developing and delivering course units and materials, and was the VSF person responsible for scheduling the course units conducted at the school. He continued as the main ‘certificate’ person lecturing in forest measurement and inventory until he moved on to become Officer in Charge of the Working Plans Branch in 1982/83. Roger Sands was appointed head of UM studies at Creswick under Ian Ferguson early in my term as Principal, and university academic responsibilities increasingly moved over to him. Other UM staff were appointed to positions at Creswick and took over teaching functions appropriate to their qualifications. Max Coulter, Ron Hateley, Kevin Tolhurst, myself and others continued to teach in their specialties.

An employment project in about 1982 provided an opportunity to build what became the seminar centre on a block of land at the back of Tremearne House. VSF was given a budget to do this before any plans were drawn up or even a concept had been developed. I had in mind to build a bigger version of the hexagonal shelter that had been built at the Creswick nursery. My recollection is that I discussed this with Ian Sherwen (1951 VSF graduate), a Timber Promotion Committee representative on the Victorian Timber Industry Training Committee (VTITC), when the Committee was meeting at Creswick working towards establishing a Timber Industry Training Centre on a site adjacent to VSF. Ian put me in touch with a design engineer specialising in timber structures who then designed the octagonal structure that is there today. Ida, in Buildings Branch, also played an important part in developing the working drawings for the building.

This was a VSF project handled internally using VSF regular employees and temporary employees from the pool of long-term unemployed. I find it hard to believe now that we could have done so well and with so little input from ‘higher-up’ but I certainly have a strong sense of ‘'ownership”. The Seminar Centre was officially opened by Minister Rod McKenzie on the afternoon of the same day that Ron Grose was removed as Chairman of the Commission.

During the development of the Timber Industry Training Centre, I was drafted into VTITC and continued in that role until I left the Department. This was primarily to facilitate TITC’s use of VSF facilities.

In 1985 VSF hosted a plantation development/management short course for a group of about 20 Malaysian Forest Officers. Gerard Stewart and I were both heavily involved in this. I went to Malaysia prior to running this course to get an understanding of the situation the Malaysians would be working in, to ensure the course we provided was relevant for them. We also provided a short course for a group from Vietnam. I also had a short visit to Thailand in a small group sent by the Department of Foreign Affairs to see how best Australian aid could be used to support forestry education and practice in that country.

When female students first arrived at the VSF they were accommodated in the upstairs part of the main building. As we transitioned to an outpost of the University things had to be liberalised. The bathroom facilities in AVG (Galbraith House) were modified to provide for both sexes, and self-catering arrangements were developed in a new building constructed adjacent to Galbraith House. The new building was of my design and housed four separate student kitchens. It was built by the School’s maintenance staff and local trades people were engaged when outside services were required.

To meet the accommodation requirements for the increasing numbers of UM forestry students we also did a partial refurbishment of the former nurses’ accommodation at the Creswick District Hospital and had the overflow of students accommodated there for two or three years.

During Bob Smith’s time as Director of Forests, he decided to introduce a series of family holiday programs to use the School’s residential facilities during student vacation periods. Dawn Coogan drew up a five-day program for these, and we engaged students from Ballarat University to be the activity leaders. Once the forestry students left at the end of the term Galbraith House was converted into accommodation for the family groups with double bunks built by our maintenance staff added to the rooms to boost their capacity. Initially the programs were promoted in interviews on an ABC morning show and would sell out in a couple of hours. Later there was some formal advertising to achieve the same result. The prices Bob Smith set were fairly attractive and the programs may not have been profitable but the customers were happy and the School’s domestic staff enjoyed having extra weeks of employment.

Towards the end of my time with the School, Gerard Stewart and I were involved in preparations for and the introduction of the Department’s Forest Operator Licencing system. We went to quite a few different districts to speak to forest workers about forest safety codes and requirements and the licencing system that was being developed. For a while, up to the time I left the Department, the actual licences were being prepared at the School by our receptionist.

During 1989 I was made aware that I had reached the limit to the amount of superannuation I was entitled to have and, knowing this, at 56 years of age I decided to look for alternative employment to see out my working life. Subsequently I was appointed as the Executive Officer for the Maryborough and District Economic Development Committee and retired from forestry and the Department early in September 1989 to take up that position.

Shortly before my ‘retirement’ I had been given approval to build a new 20-bed student residence at the School for short course visitors. I had the Creswick Shire Assistant Engineer draw up plans for the building from my ‘back of an envelope’ concept, and its construction was under way as an in-house project when I left the School. At Bob Smith’s request, after my ‘retirement’, I continued to oversee the construction of the building through to its completion. Funding for this building came from money that UM had paid to the Department under its agreement to run its program at the School, and which had accumulated untapped up to that time.


Bob and Timber Towns Victoria

See: Let Sanity Prevail - The History of Timber Towns Victoria

After leaving the public sector Bob was involved with Timber Towns Victoria. The scale of his involvement can be seen by the quotes below from Let Sanity Prevail.


Timber Towns Victoria was heavily involved with the Timber Harvesting Plan Certification System Steering Committee. Cr Bob Orr was a representative on the steering committee and the Private Forestry Council during 1999. He continued his involvement with the Private Forestry Council of Victoria for the next four years, while also being involved with Timber Towns Victoria. (p 42)

Bob Orr was also nominated by Timber Towns Victoria as a representative on the Code of Forest Practices for Timber Production Working Group. (p 43)

The state government, led by the Premier of Victoria, Steve Bracks, also allocated $800,000 over four years to address concerns that the Code of Forest Practice differed between public and private land. The Code Initiatives on Private Land Working Group was formed to address issues such as the need for a statewide accreditation system and a review of local government processes for implementing the code. Bob Orr remembers some of the issues raised that lead to the working group:

What happened in some cases was that local governments engaged foresters to undertake the oversight. And there were a number of those people working for local government in a number of shires at that stage. In some other cases, the people who were engaged did not have a forestry background and probably came from a different perspective to the general run of the mill forester.

Timber Towns Victoria was invited to nominate three of its members to the working group. Bob Orr, president of Timber Towns Victoria became chair of the working group. By the end of the year, Timber Towns Victoria had worked with local councils to develop a formal position statement to take to the working group on behalf of local governments. (p 50)

In 2002 Cr Bob Orr replaced Cr Helen Hoppner as Timber Towns' representative on the Private Forestry Council." The valuation of plantations for rateability continued to be an issue and Timber Towns Victoria engaged with the state's valuer-general on the subject, as well as writing to the relevant minister. (p 51)

The Code Initiatives on Private Land Working Group, chaired by Bob Orr, was funded for two years, through Timber Towns Victoria, to implement the Interim Forest Practitioner Accreditation process they had developed until such time as the state government initiated a permanent accredita-tion process. (p 52)

This ability to act as a neutral party, liaising with a range of stakeholders, and acting for the best interest of councils, has remained constant, remembers Bob Orr, who served as president of Timber Towns Victoria from 2000 to 2003.

I am sure that we were never pro-logging or anti-logging in any way. So I don't recall any suggestion along the way that any of the representatives were there to stop timber harvesting in their area or to favour timber harvesting in their area as such. They just wanted to ensure that the resources they had could be used in a reasonable manner and that a government regulation wasn't going to stifle things or to do anything that would upset the industry and upset the economy of their shires. (p 66)